Comments on: Its only Human. How Sexual Perversions and Depravities are uniquely Human.

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By: Anubha Yadav

Anubha Yadav — Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:08:48 +0000

Kajal : As to the subjectivity of legality of a ‘crime’ and its relative ‘nature’:well, obviously the subjectivity is present. We are not discussing that. What we are discussing is that if it is RAPE then you and I will see it as a crime. Unlike, how you react to BDSM or any other sexual depravity. Rape is a depravity, and I am not discounting that- if you will read my comment, my discomfort is specifically when it is left unattended with sexual depravities- because ‘rape’ as often said is a sexual act but its motivation is not a sexual ‘need’. Instead, like you cleverly say “the unassailable ‘power’ of ‘patriarchy'” or the need to ‘control’ that makes the perpetrator a rapist. So, when we punch it as a sexual act we move into a very simplistic and dangerous zone. We isolate rape as a sexual crime alone, WHICH WE ALREADY KNOW IS NOT SO.

By: sanjay austa

sanjay austa — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:56:17 +0000

In reply to Shibani Bose. Shibani agree its subjective. But i was not writing about sex in relation to different human cultures etc. Was looking at human's need for sex vis-a-vis the animal kingdom at large. Also am talking about how we, unlike other species, are driven to anything -including sex (and everything that goes with it: perversions, depravities, sex crimes etc) -not due to our biological impulses but due to psychological reasons. Animals lack these psychological needs that overwhelm our kind.

By: Shibani Bose

Shibani Bose — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:54:49 +0000

good point about animals not raping. but i also agree with Anubha – what is called ‘sexual depravity’ is subjective – S&M, fetishes, multiple partners etc., i don’t want to be the moral judge of that. Rape is pretty objective – someone violates someone else against their wishes.

By: Kajal Basu

Kajal Basu — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:42:18 +0000

Anubha: Just taking context into account, what is considered sexual depravity today wasn’t even called depravity in past centuries – eg, paedophilia today vs Roman pederasty, which was, in fact, a Rome-normative uncle-nephew/mentor-ward relationship. Nonetheless, in the interests of calling a spade a spade, it WAS an adult-minor impositional relationship, which, to my mind, makes it culture-specific and warped behaviour perpetuated to direct the legating of power, influence and property according to the unassailable tenets of patriarchy.

As for your belief that “[r]ape is not a sexual crime of a morally subjective nature” – I’m afraid I haven’t got your meaning. I doubt you’re contesting the sexual aspect of rape, so it’s the latter phrase that’s problematic:

1. Rape IS immoral AND a crime in every human society the world over.

2. If it’s not of a “morally subjective nature”, what IS it? All crimes so far codified in any legal doctrine or system in human history have been subjective. The prosecutorial system works according to this assumption, as does defence. And rape, which is essentially a one-to-one face-off (even during a multiple rape [as opposed to a gang rape]), is nothing if not subjective in the extreme (even during those controlled situations when it’s more about power and control and less about the orgasm). It MIGHT be hung with the “objective” label if it were part of a preplanned, full-fledged ‘gendercidal’ programme, but it’d be a tough nomenclatural call.

I’m assuming you mean rape as an instrument of the general subjection of women in general by men in general makes it non-subjective. But that, in my not-so-humble opinion, in no way makes rape ‘objective’.

Confusion no. 2: Why shouldn’t rape be considered “sexual depravity”? Is it MORE than simple, everyday depravity? Then exactly what is it? An act so removed from civility that it calls for a separate law to minimise it? In that case, would you be willing to have separate laws for rape and paedophilia? (At the moment, what is euphemistically called ‘CSA [Child Sexual Abuse]’ is NOT recognised by the IPC 1860. Section 376 is far too specific about older-teen/adult on.

By: Wily coyote

Wily coyote — Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:27:08 +0000

Sorry to split hairs here, but a number of animals ranging from invertebrate molluscs such as snails to primate macaques are known to practice sex for non procreational purposes. They can be for enjoyment, affection, dominance etc. Oh, just noticed that Kajal Basu has covered all the animals points I was going to elaborate on. Anyway, you get the picture.

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wily

By: sanjay austa

sanjay austa — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:21:47 +0000

In reply to Kajal Basu. Kajal as ever your comments are insightful as well as fun to read. Thanks.